Michael Eric Dyson and Bill Maher Talk Rush Limbaugh, Racism

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The only reason I didn’t include the other panelist’s name is because I don’t know who he is. But fellow Michigander Michael Eric Dyson and Bill Maher let this dude have it on Maher’s “Real Time” show, when the panelist objects to Maher’s attribution of Rush Limbauh as a racist. Michael Eric Dyson rips him a new one, and Maher plays the sidekick/mediator. I know this post is sort of preaching to the choir, but A) Michael Eric Dyson is one of my role models in the game, and B) I like seeing people lose arguments.

Check how dude brings up Limbaugh’s support of Clarence Thomas as evidence for him not being a racist?

*dies*

“Hold on, let me finish, let me finish. I can speak articulately.”
-Michael Eric Dyson

*dies again*

via the.LIFE Files

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  • Bret

    OK, look you assclown! I don’t like Andrew Brietbart (that’s “the other guy”‘s name, you uninformed hip-hop fuckwad) either, but that does not make it right for Dyson to indiscriminately label people as racist.

    Brietbart’s clumsy attempt at an argument aside, how is it fair to call Rush Limbaugh a racist?

    He may very well be a racist. But he has yet to publicly state any sentiments as such. Just because you are callous or don’t care about the poor does not make you a racist; it just makes you an asshole.

    Just as using race as an excuse for all kinds of bad behavior, i.e. crime, rape, unwed mothers, drug problems, as Dyson does, isn’t necessarily racism, its just being an asshole.

    Actually, no, I take that back… using race as a reason to justify behavior is the textbook definition of racism. But of course, Dyson can’t possibly be a racist, because he’s black, right?

    Well on behalf of all white American who’s grandparents immigrated here in the 1930’s, who had no footprint in America during slavery, and who’s ancestors fought on the Union side of the Civil War to free your obnoxious, ingrate ass, FUCK YOU!

    I can dislike you and your culture simply because I dislike it, without actually being racist. Its easy to prove: if a white kid was wearing his pants around his knees, with his ballsack practically showing, bouncing around in public singing about “bitches and hos” I’d wanna fucking kill him too!

    so go score some chronic, roll a blunt, put on some Puff-Daddy, or P-Diddy, or Diddy, or whatever that fucktard is calling himself nowadays, and shove your speech and your hammer up your fat, black, baked-bean encrusted ass.

  • Bret

    P.S. why don’t you leave speech and serious political thought to the mental grown-ups? then go get a real hammer, and do something useful with it, like go build something for Habitats for Humanity… or better yet, see if its actually possible to beat yourself to death. Or even better, throw it, then run after it; you need the exercise, you fat fuck!

  • http://newsone.blackplanet.com/elections/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/

    I don’t really have time to look up each of those quotes specifically, but put it this way: peoples’ accusations of Rush Limbaugh as a racist don’t come from thin air.

    Actually, no: attributing race as an excuse for negative behavior *is* racism.

    http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMA_enUS313US313&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:+racism
    -the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
    -Racism, by its simplest definition, is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

    Oh, I see, you took that back. Nevermind on that, then.

    Limbaugh, as you see in the link of my last comment, has said specific racist statements – and as you’ve said, that’s textbook racism. What evidence do you have that Michael Eric Dyson is racist, though? Just the fact that the person he snapped on in that video is white? Dyson has made plenty of arguments about racist people and discriminatory systems (and not just about race, but about financial disparities as well), but he’s moreso looked to study why a lot of these things happen. I’ve NEVER seen him attribute traits and beliefs to an entire group of people the way that Rush Limbaugh has; I don’t see him saying “all white people are racist,” or even implying such. If he has, shoot me a link with some evidence, or give me a quote to let me know. I’m serious.

    And yes, you can dislike elements of a culture without being racist. But there’s a difference between disliking elements of a culture (i.e., styles of dress, vernacular, etc.) and saying that slavery “had its merits,” or to say that blacks don’t matter because they’re only a certain percentage of the population, or to call Martin Luther King’s killer a hero.

    By the way, you should have used a few more fat jokes. They really help your point. They were actually pretty funny, although I don’t think they help in the whole “mental grown-up” category you said I should stay out of.

  • sean

    @BRET

    “I can dislike you and your culture simply because I dislike it, without actually being racist. Its easy to prove: if a white kid was wearing his pants around his knees, with his ballsack practically showing, bouncing around in public singing about “bitches and hos” I’d wanna fucking kill him too!”

    ^That’s black culture to you?

  • Bret

    hey Ketchums!

    wow! now THAT was an argument! I might have gone alot less ad hominem in my first posts had I seen that logic in your’s.

    that said, I think Rush probably is a racist, or at the very least, a classist. but, a every statement he has ever said that seemed racist could just as easily have been callous and unfeeling towards the disadvantaged or based on a cultural bias not specific to race.

    if he ever actually uttered a bona-fide racist statement (and by bona-fide, I mean a blatently racist statement, not a statement interpretted as racist by an overly sensitive race-warrior like Dyson who sees racism in everything) it would be on CNN in a continuous loop.

    Howard Cossell was run right out of broadcasting for such a gaffe, and he was nowhere near as hated as Limbaugh. We know that Limbaugh has never uttered such a silver bullet simply because if he had, he would have ben shot with it already.

    I do agree that racism still exists. but I have two caveats to that:

    1) lots of things that happen to blacks and other minorities is not racism, but rather the natural consequences to poor decision making; the black community really needs to stop blaming everything on racism

    2) its just as feasible for minorities to be racist. just as minorities tire of being followed around by security in high-end department stores, I am sick and tired of being assumed to be a “privileged white guy”. I don’t have wealthy parents. I paid for college by serving in the military and working. I have yet to inherit a damn dime from anybody. but many minorities, especially those in the education system, assume me to be a closed-minded whitey who has been given everything on a platter and who should be brought down a peg or two.

    where did this “zero-sum” mentality come from? who thought up this class-envy bullshit idea that if a person (especially a white person) is prospering, it just has to be at the expense of somebody else (usually a minority)?

    I earned where I am and what I have, and nobody, not you, not Dyson, and definitely not Barack “the second coming of Jesus H Christ” Obama, is taking it from me; whether they be white, black, brown, purple, or even that green-bitch Captain Kirk fucked on Star Trek

  • JYoungTheGeneral

    “P.S. why don’t you leave speech and serious political thought to the mental grown-ups? then go get a real hammer, and do something useful with it, like go build something for Habitats for Humanity…”

    Actually he’s a part of a student group that DOES collaborate with Habitat for Humanity quite often, specifically through MSU’s into the streets community service initiative. So good job at belittling him for something he’s actually done…because you know some of good ol’ know-nuthin blacks be’s actually does’n stuffs for ah communities massah.

    http://www.mrule.msu.edu I’d suggest checking it out, you uninformed jackass.

    Now kindly direct yourself to nearest rope and bungie jump off a high building with it around your neck.

  • @ Bret

    “Well on behalf of all white American who’s grandparents immigrated here in the 1930’s, who had no footprint in America during slavery, and who’s ancestors fought on the Union side of the Civil War to free your obnoxious, ingrate ass, FUCK YOU!”

    In reality, the economic strength of the United States of America was largely a result of underpopulation, access to the resources of two different climate zones, and most importantly a free labor pool, ie trans-Atlantic chattel slavery. Ergo, anyone who benefits from living in the United States is in some way complicit in the institution of slavery in and of itself.

    Now, this would hypothetically apply to black people themselves, as well as anyone who lives here regardless of what color they are, but as any figures regarding income disparities will show you the difference between black and white mean income are the same as they were in 1880.

    Which is to say that even if you’re a white dude from Russia who literally immigrated here this morning you still don’t get to say that you have nothing to do with racism and slavery.

    Also, the entire social and political infrastructure of the United States has been white supremacist since our inception, which I hopefully don’t have to demonstrate to you. Ergo, because the whole basis of our society favors white people, priveledge is inferred on every white person regardless of how poor they are. For example, I’m a caucasian from a lower class background, and I grew up in an economically depressed neighborhood. Even if both my parents were crackheads and I grew up in a foster home I would still be able to effectively imitate a suburban middle class white person if I worked at it. Non-whites don’t have that option, which is the definition of white priveledge.

    So sorry to break it to you homie but you and I don’t get to say “I didn’t see nothing”(c) Ray Lewis.

  • I don’t watch the news like I should (especially when I was younger, when some of these quotes were first said), so I wouldn’t know which of his comments are on a CNN loop. But there *is* something to be said about media outlets, namely that the gatekeepers of outlets aren’t always as in tune with the world as they should be. And this is coming from a member/proponent of the media.

    As for your racism caveats:
    1.) Some of minorities’ issues are due to bad decision-making, I agree. But don’t use the bad decision making to excuse other issues. That’d be a HUGE discussion, but put it this way: a lot of factors influence some of those bad decisions, and a lot of people don’t even have decisions to make. I’m not justifying bad decisions at all; I’m just saying that there are reasons that illegal drugs are in places like that, there are reasons that certain places have lower incomes than others, and there are reasons that race is still relevant. Not all of it is race-related, but some of it is.

    2.) Although some people would go back and forth about what “racism” and “discrimination” should mean, I agree that minorities can be racist. And I don’t discredit anything that you’ve done, esp. with you serving in the military: you’ve worked hard and you’ve earned where/what you’ve gotten just like anybody else has, regardless of race. That being said, I still agree with Walt’s comment that you had white privilege…although white privilege doesn’t mean that you were necessarily handed everything. Make sense?

  • Dub

    Racism is still alive, but obviously people like Bret have no problem concealing it.

    When you can say, “They make up 12% of the population, who cares” how is that taken as anything else besides blatant racism?

  • Dub

    You know what’s funny, Bret? Right now we’re all on Facebook talking about how ignorant you and others are. Your attitude in your comments is the definition of “handouts.” Oh, and when I say WE’RE all on Facebook talking about how ignorant you are, I mean black AND white people.

  • Bret

    hey Dub!

    blow it out your ass.

    how is an attitude the definition of a handout?!?!

    at least I can see the logic of some of the previous postings regarding a prevalent preference torwards white built into our culture, but you have your nouns mixed up. how does my attitude denote my receiving, condoning, or opposing some kind of handout?

    and do you seriously think I give a shit what you are saying on Facebook. my point about racism being a two-way thing was just showcased in your post: you seemed to automatically assume that I would care that both “black AND white people” would be goofing on me, as opposed to just black people.

    I could care less what bunch of dumbasses like you and your friends think about me, regardless of color or race.

    and regarding the whole Rush Limbaugh saying something about “who cares about blacks because they are only 12% of the population”… while it was a stupid, callous, and thoughtless thing to say, why is it racist? political pollsters categorize people all the time and decide whether to consider their needs based on how big their demographic is.

    its basic math! if you can only pander to so many people for votes, you go after the biggest groups that you can get easily, i.e. the “low hanging fruit”

    I am fairly certain that the Obama team decided during the election that a grassroots effort to go after the vote of Southern, Christian whites was statistically not worth the effort. Does that make Obama and his campaign staff racist? NO! a bit insensitive and overly pragmatic, yes… but racist, no.

    why is it only racism when a white guy does it?

    Mayor Ray Nagen stood up in front of a packed banquet and declared that during the post-Katrina recovery he was going to ensure that New Orleans “a chocolate city” and nobody batted a fucking eye!

    If Boise, Idaho got wiped out by a tornado, and its mayor declared that in rebuilding he would keep Boise “a vanilla city” he’d have Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the Reverend Farakhan on his front porch burning him in effigy before the next news cycle.

    so feel free to disagree with me politically, but don’t tell me that racism is just a white trait.

    and definitely don’t try to just dismiss me as a stupid white guy, Dub. that would be the intellectual equivalent to taking a knife to a gun fight. I am not on any college student group… because I already have a BS and an MS.

    if you seriously want to compare educations, resumes, or intellects, Dub, BRING IT BEEYATCH.

  • Ramzilla

    Michael E. (stands for Every white person is a racist.) Dyson is a poster child for Black racism. If everyone got along, as the majority does, this asshole wouldn’t have anything to talk about. How do racist idiots like this get so embedded in our colleges? This is the second high ranking black professor I’ve seen spew their racial blah blah blah in the past few months. It’s pathetic. I’m quite certain there are many more highly qualified Black professors out there who want to teach our children to be responsible adults not fuel the fire of racism. The reality…Blacks and Whites do get along and prosper quite well together…in every state in the union…even the redneck states! Then morons like Dyson start spewing their mouths off trying to make it seem like their views are the views of every black man, woman and child. And if they don’t agree, they are somehow not as Black as they should be or called an Uncle Tom…unbelievable. When I see a white or black racist on TV or hear them on the radio…I turn them off, as we all should. This is how they make their living and they will never change.

    • “E. (stands for Every white person is a racist.)”

      …That’s the best you can come up with?

      Look, no one’s saying that progress hasn’t been made. But saying that racism doesn’t exist anymore is preposterous. And Dyson doesn’t say that every white person is racist; but he moreso points out racist statements/actions, and racist systems. Someone can say a racist statement without being hateful, and even without being racist.

  • sub

    anyone that supports the divisive, racist, rhetoric of michael dyson can GO F**K THEMSELVES. I won’t even deign to discuss it, as some have above. Just GO F**K YOURSELVES if you espouse this ideology. When you figure out what’s wrong with people like this racist a-hole, then I’ll be happy to talk to you about substantive issues of race/gender in 21st century America….

    • What’s racist about his rhetoric?

  • sub

    watch the clip of him on NBC this AM. like i said, when you figure it out…

    BHO is president exactly BECAUSE he spent no time worrying about who’s a racist, who isn’t; he just went out and KICKED ASS. It ain’t 1957, much as dyson wishes it were (it would be so good for his career). BHO is POTUS, for K’s sake. Worrying about “racist systems” is a crutch of the left, and the black political class; a convenient excuse for failure in a difficult world. BHO, and others, don’t spend two seconds on the faux academia of a michael dyson; they just go kick ass, and raise up….

    • I get the idea of what you’re saying…but what about the idea of acknowledging a racist system and finding a way to overcome it? MLK, Malcolm X and others spoke about the racist system, but then showed an alternative and helped make progress through that.

      Ignoring a problem doesn’t always solve a problem, ya know?

  • sub

    MLK and M-X SOLVED IT, for all intents and purposes. if you worry about a perfect level playing field, you’re wasting your time. show me a place on earth where that is the case. if BHO is POTUS, for K’s sake, then raising up is officially available for african americans. it’s not a perfect world for asians, jews, eastern europeans, etc. do they worry about it? f’ no. they go and kick ass, and raise up. mike dyson wants to keep you down, and keep his book sales fat, by causing you to stay mired in the past. and if you think any government system is going to be your salvation as a people, you’ll be waiting a long time for that. and there’s no doubt that african americans have a special set of challenges. but listening to a f’in a-hole like mike dyson does NOTHING for you, in reality. NOTHING. that’s my beef, and it would be Dr. King’s beef too, I’ll bet ya…..

    • They didn’t solve it. Not when blacks are still getting racially profiled by police, Henry Louis Gates is getting arrested inside of his own home, Kanye West is getting hurled racist comments for ignornant video show antics, etc.

      Barack’s symbolic for change, and a perfect example of what’s possible. But it’s not the norm, and we all know that.

      And other races *do* talk about discrimination – they just aren’t as visible. Asians are the model minority, so they get a diff type of discrimination. Jews are discriminated against, but they’re powerful financially, and they actually have a reputation of being powerful. Like you said, blacks have their own set of problems.

      I won’t say Michael Eric Dyson isn’t an opportunist, because he makes money off of things going badly. But that doesn’t mean that he’s racist, and that doesn’t mean his assessments of racist systems are inaccurate.

  • sub

    he is a racist, and an opportunist. and when you start worrying about achieving, instead of festering on academia-led PhD blather from impostors like dyson, then you might make progress. “jews are powerful financially.” i won’t even hit that, since it has it’s own bigoted overtones, but do you think they were born that way?? they came to this country with NOTHING, got shat on left and right, and JUST RAISED THE F” UP. Henry Louis Gates is NOT a good example, Kanye is NOT a good example. Those are good examples of rich, pampered, celebrities that can’t find the class to go with their elevated and fortunate positions.

    BHO is not “symbolic.” He’s what happens when you worry about the future, and not the past; he’s what happens when you present yourself as a MAN, not a “Black Man”, or a “White Man.” Blacks have their own set of problems, and that’s the reason this country is trying SO F’IN HARD to address your ills, whether you realize it or not. The government and many of the people are trying SO HARD to help you solve your problems. But if you want to focus on the past, take the worst examples and hold them up as a fallacious norm, follow false teachers like Dyson, Wright, hurling outrageous charges right and left under the constant cry of racism, PEOPLE HEAR YOU. And when you follow this path, you’ll hear the sound of millions of minds turning off to you, all across the land. And then you can convince yourself that we’re all against you because of the color of your skin. And you can excuse the failure or your people, That’s the future that Dyson offers you.

    You have a special case via the onerous effects of slavery, the forced destruction of your families. But if you really want to move on and raise the f’ up, you have to stop finding your failur as the fault of others, and WORK even harder for your collective future.

    I think we’re done here, but I thank you for a civil discussion, and for enduring my initial profane rant.

    Sub, NYC

  • Jehu

    Whenever I hear M.E.D. he makes me so upset. He brings out the worst in me. Hatred will inundate my thoughts and waste my time.
    For my own benefit I need to give people the benefit of the doubt and be unassuming. Pray to forgive and ask for forgiveness. I’ll never do that if I’m listening to the race bating of M.E.D. or the like.